Empowerment Instead of Degradation: Part Three of an Interview with Holly Heart

by Rich Moreland, February 2015

Anyone who writes in the adult film industry knows that some performers have little to say, prefer questions that are pure fluff (defined as requiring no thought), and repeat the same old tired information repackaged for the moment. This is not true of Holly Heart. She is the genuine article, an animated and thoughtful woman whose knockout good looks impose her presence wherever she goes.

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“I don’t think it is hard to be a dominant, for me anyway, because I know exactly what a sub wants and I’m not afraid to give it to them.”

Holly Heart, like many submissives, now switches; in other words, she plays the Domme role more often. Well-schooled in BDSM, this imposing performer relishes the pleasure she can bring to subs because that is primarily the responsibility of a top, master, or mistress.

Holly during our interview, a real sweetheart! Photo courtesy of 3hattergrindhouse.com

Holly during our interview, a real sweetheart!
Photo courtesy of 3hattergrindhouse.com

“I love to see them do their tasks, watch them in their humiliation [and] watch them struggle. I’m intrigued and turned on by the process, it’s so amazing, sexy, and euphoric. I want to give that to a submissive.”

But how easy is switching because apparently not all subs want to know what it feels like on the other end?

“I think a lot of submissives are afraid [to dom] because they don’t want to hurt somebody, that’s their mindset.” It seems that switching is a fairly smooth process if the sub approaches it with the proper perspective.

“A true submissive can be a switch at any point in time [because] they know another submissive loves it [the act of submission],” Holly declares. I agree. The now retired Bobbi Starr, an industry legend and personal acquaintance, is a perfect example.

However, Holly admits that some subs “will never change, will never switch, and will cry when they [are] forced to dom another sub.” That situation can get complicated, she remarks, when a Dom has two subs and one becomes the “alpha sub” who does the Dom’s bidding on the other girl. There is sometimes resistance because it is so difficult for some subs to turn off their true feelings.

“It’s really intricate and each relationship is just different,” Holly explains. “Some people just want to be submissive. They don’t want to cross over and that is fine.”

In her personal life, Holly loves diversification and talks about how it flavors her marriage. She adores “live parties” and her husband is her “submissive whenever we go anywhere,” she says. In fact, Holly rarely bottoms anymore and “only to certain people,” mentioning her favorite directors, James Mogul and Matt Williams, in particular.

But there is a price to pay for that side of the spectrum, especially if vanilla work in LA is on her agenda. She loves giving her body “full-fledged and wholeheartedly” to James and Matt and she’ll let them “mark” her. “I don’t care I love wearing them [marks] with pride,” she interjects, a point of view I’ve heard from other submissive performers. But vanilla companies don’t want a bruised and reddened girl in a shoot they are trying to sell to their fans, so a fine line is walked.

As for BDSM’s critics, Holly is blunt. “I don’t care what people think or say because they have no clue what I get out of that experience.”

Holly Heart is her own free-spirited woman.

A True Switch

The conversation turns to Princess Donna, a beloved Domme at Kink.

“I did a Public Disgrace shoot [PD’s website for Kink] in a vintage shop in San Francisco back in 2009. She took me in a van with Roger [the male Dom] in the scene. We had a group of guys at the shop and they paraded me around,” Holly remembers. Donna insists she perform oral sex on the men, typical of Kink shoots, and put a clown nose on her. “They wrote ‘cum slut’ on me. I really loved it.” Later Hollly was booked for Hardcore Gangbang (which replaced an earlier PD site called Bound Gangbang), but at that time another director was in place.

The clown nose. Photo courtesy of Kink.com

The clown nose.
Photo courtesy of Kink.com

Over and again I’m told about the magic that is Princess Donna and Holly is no different in her evaluation of the director.

PD in her most sultry look. Photo courtesy of Kink.com

PD with her most sultry look.
Photo courtesy of Kink.com

“She is statuesque, very beautiful, just super,” Holly says of the thirty-something New York University grad. “She is this untouchable angelic being to me. I look at her and just see so much confidence and perfection. She is definitely a role model in a sense that you just want to submit to her.”

Holly recalls an Upper Floor shoot with Donna that also featured Madison Young. “I must have been twenty,” she says, “my first party.” Though memories sometimes become hazy, Holly believes Donna fisted her, a thrill for the BDSM neophyte. She admires Donna and wants to follow in her “BDSM footsteps because she is a submissive, too. I love that she loves pain and gang bangs, all those hardcore things she empowers.” Incidentally, Donna still shoots occasionally as a sub.

Madison Young performing on The Upper Floor.  Photo courtesy of Kink.com

Madison Young performing on The Upper Floor with Matt Williams.
Photo courtesy of Kink.com

I’ve described Donna as a feminist in my recent book on the industry and Holly reinforces the raven-haired beauty’s image of a strong woman, echoing what I’ve heard over years of interviews in this film genre. “I wish more women would take a look at Donna and see her as a role model for women’s empowerment instead of degradation because it’s really frustrating when people see it [BDSM] like that.”

A final comment on Donna highlights Holly’s perspective. “She’s been a staple for me. It’s nice to have that somebody that honestly and truly cares and wants to educate people [about BDSM]. She is so sweet whenever I meet her in the hallways at Kink. I had a wonderful time with her on Public Disgrace.”

“To have the BDSM role model to look up to [is important],” Holly concludes, because Donna is “a true switch who can just flip it on and off.”

Lastly, we chat momentarily about Matt Williams who left Kink a few years ago to start his own collection of websites.

Their relationship is good. “He is super professional and he respects everybody and I respect everybody.” Now that Matt is running his own business, Holly enjoys “rekindling and revisiting” her connections with him. As for as who is working for whom in the BDSM trade, personal kinship, not companies, matter the most, Holly believes.

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Aware that time has gotten away from us, we must wrap things up. The Press Room is a constant flow of people with PR types running around trying to fit all the pieces together, never a easy task. So for now it’s adieu with the hope that one day Holly and I can further explore her BDSM journey.

She’s a dynamic package that is too adorable to ignore . . .

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