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AEE 2019: B and J, Riding the Wave

by Rich Moreland, April 2019

Our second camming couple, a husband and wife team, go by B (or Mrs. B) and J. Our AINews team met them informally on the trade show floor and set up a quick interview.

B and J’s site, Hot4Teacher, can be found on Chaturbate. 

Photos are credited to Kevin Sayers and Hot4Teacher.

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The Age Thing

How did the two of you get started?

J watched a camming special on TV that included a couple who are friends of theirs, he says. He showed a YouTube presentation of the program to B whose immediate response was, “I’m not doing it because I’m a teacher!”

A month later, she agreed to give it a try.

“It started to kind of get him off my back . . . and then it took off,” B says with a smile.

Conversation in their chat room led to more followers and their popularity spread.

“There was a draw [to us] because there’s not a lot of couples that are our age. We’re both teachers so I think that’s maybe a fetish for some people.”

They had another surprising advantage.

In the couples category, there’s a shortage in the “thirty-five and over group,” B says.

“The age thing was huge,” J interjects.

No Script

B and J insist they put in considerable time to make their site a success. “There was a demand that we had to supply and here we are today,” J says with pride.

Does sex online and selling clips make them a porn couple?

“I don’t think it does,” B responds. “I feel like the cam is different from porn. There’s not a script, you’re chatting with people. You’re doing what they want you to do . . . and it’s with my husband. It’s not with other porn stars. It’s different.”

J concurs. “I’ve always felt that it’s different.”

B does admit that other people may not see it that way, however.

“I guess my vision of porn is I feel like it’s different than what I do. I’m just hanging out in my room and chit-chatting with people that come into it.”

Self-Pleasure

Do some of your fans masturbate when you’re online?

“Yes, I know that some of them do,” B chuckles.

Makes sense, but porn fans masturbate to what they see. Are your shows doing the same thing?

“I did say I don’t do porn. But I still enjoy what I do,” B says.

J believes that if masturbation is “what we’re going to take as the definition [of porn], then yes.”

However, B insists that she is “not interested in moving into the porn industry.”

At the suggestion that she may already be there, she concedes that for anyone who conflates porn with camming, indeed she is there.

Who Directs?

Some porn people believe that camming may take over the industry within the next few years. What is your take on that?

“That’s where porn is going,” B affirms.

J brightens and asks, “Are we the pioneers?”

B agrees that they are.

Some critics hang the amateur porn label on cammers. In your view, is that accurate?

That’s probably true, B says.

“I think one hundred percent we’re amateurs,” J responds, especially when it comes to directing.

B chimes in, “He’s directing me all the time. Move this leg so we can get a better view, you know?”

When fans buy tickets to their shows, the broadcast is different. J explains that everyone is included. “You’re our director. We’ll follow your lead because you bought a ticket. That’s what you want to see.”

He compares their shows with a porn shoot where fans “have an idea of what that scene is and what that movie is about,” when they buy a studio production.

As for what they do, J says, “we want to make you happy so that you come back again and purchase another ticket or buy another video.”

But he reminds us that “it’s absolutely one hundred percent amateur.”

J mentions that studio shoots involve a director and crew and other performers who may not be in a particular scene and, on occasion, media people.

Fair enough, but isn’t everyone getting paid in the long run?

The Performance

B acknowledges that shooting on a set is different. She and J started out “in the privacy” of their home and it was hard to imagine there was anyone there because the audience was online.

That changed when they did “couples shows.”

In fact, they had a “raffle and fans came to my room and were in there when we cammed,” she adds. “It was really uncomfortable the first time and kind of weird.”

Over time the tension eased for her.

J mentions, “Like last night there were other people in the room who were not participating.” They still did the show and “put on the performance,” he says.

B recognizes that J is more at ease than she is “when there’s other people watching.” But she is making progress. “I [am] much more comfortable with it than I was six months ago,” she says.

What We Are

Asked about where they see themselves down the road, it seems their venture into camming has a termination point. There’s family to consider. For the future, “who knows what’s going to happen,” B says. “We’re doing well now, but . . . “

As for this week in Vegas, they are here at the Adult Expo to support their fellow cammers and they have the credentials to make a difference.

“We’re one of the top couples on Chaturbate,” J says. “We’re riding the wave where everything’s hot.”

In other words, they’re using their success to give back some of the love extended to them.

In retrospect, do you think you are drifting in the porn direction?

“Well, it’s funny,” B comments, “I feel like I’m not in porn and then you (referring to J) were like ‘one hundred percent we’re in amateur porn.’ So, I think we just totally contradicted what we said.”

J clarifies his comment. “No, amateurs [are] what we are because I don’t feel that we’re at that professional level.”

B is delighted to confirm his statement.

“Oh, we’re not!” she exclaims, and recalls her thoughts the first time she was in the room having sex. “I do not belong here. I just felt like I was not at that level . . . .”

Perhaps.

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AEE 2019: Tom and Honey, The Easier Way

by Rich Moreland, April, 2019

Some interviews at adult trade shows are arranged via PR firms while others are off-the-cuff pickups gained through networking. At this year’s Adult entertainment Expo we had two valuable talks with camming couples we met on the floor.

Photos credited to Kevin Sayers.

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Tom and Honey are cammers who operate online through Chaturbate. To say they are comfortable in their own skin (and that of their partner’s!) is an understatement. Not only do they have a loyal following, they have an exceptional understanding of the camming business model.

“Our live broadcasts drive the clip sales,” Tom responds. “When we’re online people see us, they talk to us. They have that connection.” Out of that comes a built-in marketing advantage, he adds, because fans will ask about the vids they shot on location in Las Vegas or Miami, for example.

Honey reinforces what Tom says. “People who want to directly talk to you. They want that interaction. They want to know you as a person,” whereas other fans just want “to see you performing the sexual acts.” They’ll buy the clips.

This division between the active and passive fan is common among cammers, as we’ve discovered.

Amateur Porn?

Tom mentions the importance of content with time and effort the necessary ingredients to produce a good show. What they shoot is never going to be of Evil Angel quality, he says, but that’s okay because “we are never competing with mainstream porn companies.”

Are cammers making amateur porn?

“We are the amateurs!” Tom asserts. There’s a market for fans who don’t want the professional look. They like “the slightly shaky camera,” Tom says, and the feeling that they are “filming” the show.

On the other hand, cam production is improving. Tom explains that their equipment parallels the big studios. They have tripods and gimbals. Plus, they shoot in 4K and employ the “same editing software that the pro companies use.”

In other words, the quality gap is not that large, he declares.

Considering that, are cammers becoming the new professionals? Will today’s amateur be tomorrow’s pro?

Taking Over

Honey seems to think so. It’s “a very hot topic right now. People are saying that cammers are taking over,” she says.

She implies that camming is moving into the porn orbit and points out the cammer’s advantages.

“You can come here [the trade show] to see them [porn stars], but you can’t sit and talk to them face-to-face for hours like I do with my fans . . . [We give them] more because we offer the videos and the one-on-one interaction. They get to know who we are as people.”

Then cammers are the people next door having a little fun. Right?

In chorus, Tom and Honey respond with “exactly.”

Cammers are tilting the amateur in the direction of the professional?

They repeat with a resounding “yes.”

A Step Ahead

Regarding cammers and porn performers challenging each other’s space, Tom says, “it’s easier for the cammers and amateurs to go professional versus the professional coming back to camming.”

The mainstream porn girls have everything “taken care for them,” he adds. “They just show up and do their scene” with no concern for lighting, camera quality, editing, and the like.

“We have to figure that out,” he exclaims, which puts the cam world a step ahead of porn performers. “All of a sudden they [porn models] have to learn how to do everything” if they want to cam.

Of course, there are the usual reservations mainstream performers have about camming, time and schedule being the most important. Does this mean the two porn worlds—camming and mainstream—will never come together because they are different mindsets?

Certain they won’t, Honey says, “yes, I would agree with that most definitely!”

Who Decides?

Tom brings up an significant issue that separates a cam show from a professional shoot. For a sex act in real time, who determines the direction of the presentation and the timing of individual moments as the show evolves?

For instance, he mentions the pop shot. Where is it going to be? A facial or a creampie?

“We allow them (the fans) to vote on things like that.” Tom says, making everyone online a director.

Finally, what is on the horizon for the adult industry and camming?

An important change, Tom believes. Camming “is going to be the easier way to get into the [porn] business,” he states.

“It gives you the freedom to enter the industry from anywhere” as opposed to mainstream porn that requires shooting in Miami, Las Vegas, or LA.

Best of all, camming sex “allows you to be a porn star in your own home!” Tom exclaims. What could be more convenient?

Honey concludes our conversation with, “Camming is a really good way to get a feel for the industry if this is where you want to be. . . .”

Exactly. And that leads us to our next cam couple. Let’s see what they have to say.

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AEE 2019: Sofia Rose

by Rich Moreland, March 2019

This interview with cam star Sofia Rose offers fascinating insights into camming and porn.

Photos are credited to Kevin Sayers.

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Too Ethnic

Born of mixed ancestries, Sofia Rose is a Southern California native who gave modeling a go in her teens.

She did have some problems, though. She couldn’t make it in the mainstream business.

“They told me I was too short and too ethnic. I probably weighed ninety-five pounds on a good day! I was very, very small. But yeah, I was too ethnic at the time.”

To build a career, Sofia moved to the Northeast and worked in corporate America.

In November 2006 the thirty-something decided to resurrect her modeling career, setting her sights on the BBW market.

Sofia sums up where her career is today.

“I am a hardcore performer. I have my own website, I shoot for everybody. I’m independent and I cam.” To secure what she calls “residual money,” Sofia says, “I sell my clips, my Snapchat. So, I have my hands in all the pots.”

Changes

Describing where she is right now, Sofia says, “My main focus is performing and I do hardcore boy/girl [and] fetish.”

But changes are on the horizon.

The BBW star is moving back to her fetish work at the expense of boy/girl shoots.

It’s a return to “glamour modeling that I used to do,” she explains, and she loves the idea, particularly its practicality. “I’m getting older [and] I want to spend more time at home.”

Best of all, glamour has an appeal for her. It’s “erotic,” she insists, and is built on “artistic” photos. “Still, my clothes will be off,” she laughs. “I’m just comfortable that way. It’s actually harder to wear clothes because I’m actually trying to contain things and my boobs want to be free. So…”

Get Comfortable

Turning to my questions on camming, I want to know if a cam girl starts out as an amateur performer?

Sofia believes all cam girls begin as amateurs because they have “to get comfortable with the camera. Learn your angles and what’s the most flattering depending on what you’re trying to sell.”

But in the end, she believes, the word “amateur” is elusive in its meaning and application.

“I think the amateur term can be very subjective. I do my own content and it’s definitely not studio produced. I’m a professional performer, however it would be considered amateur shot because it looks like a home movie. Does that make it less professional [because] we made it home-style?”

I remark that for cammers, amateur means a style of shooting.

“I feel like it’s a style, yeah,” Sofia agrees. “It’s not cut perfectly and it’s very bumpy,” but that seems to be its appeal.

Trends

I ask Sofia if cam girls establish their own trends or merely follow existing ones when it comes to their content.

“Both, really,” she replies. Cammers can be trend-setters by “taking something that’s already been established and modifying it to what is unique to you.”

In Sofia’s case, it’s the plus-size community. Certain trends are important to them. She mentions Mukbangs as an example and explains what it is about.

“It’s a feeding video about eating foods that makes certain sounds. I don’t get it, but it hits my fetish audience who likes to see me overstuff myself to make me larger.

“We’re going to play into the fetish [and] make those videos that are customizable. I’ve been doing these feeding videos forever [and] it’s now like this popular trend. People pay me to eat this food!”

Porn Portal

Is camming a portal into shooting scenes?

“Absolutely,” Sofia says, but mentions that camming and shooting scenes are different.

“I think that there’s definitely some conflict between the communities, which I hate,” she responds.

“It’s a whole hierarchy of who’s better than who[m]. I feel like camming is similar to the studio-produced performing, but they aren’t the same. A cam girl walks in and is used to controlling her camera and her angle and getting her best shots. But you go into a studio and you’re relinquishing that control. And now you’re doing what you’re told within your limits and you don’t have control over all those things,” she explains.

When asked to describe a cam girl, Sofia has an insightful assessment.

“People think that camming is more innocent because there’s not contact with another person, male or female. But it isn’t necessarily.”

There’s more, she says. “Because they feel like it’s a more controlled environment, maybe it’s more innocent. It’s really not to me, it’s not any different whether I’m bringing talent to get on cam with or I’m in a studio shooting with that same talent. We’re still doing the same things, the same content, the same fluid exchanges. Everything’s happening the same way, it’s just that the camera is controlled differently.”

The Optional Fourth Leg

As for the three-legged school question, Sofia says the fourth leg is optional. In other words, combinations can change from girl to girl. They choose what works for them.

For her, choices are obvious. “I shoot, I cam, and I escort, but you’ll never find me dancing. We’re just changing which three we’re using.”

In her opinion, “it’s almost normal to escort on top of everything else. Why wouldn’t you?”

Considering that, is camming a boon for her escorting?

“Absolutely” she beams. Clients want to meet and get to know her. Once that happens, their comfort level improves and this is a benefit for her.

“It helps me,” Sofia says. “We feel good with each other. It’s way less intimidating and the nerves are way down.”

Sofia points out for a cam girl to meet one of her fans in person is an option. But keep in mind that “everybody has their limits and what makes them comfortable. Even as escorts we all do things very differently. People think I just meet random strangers and it’s not quite like that.” Background checks are part of doing business, she says with a chuckle.

Just for the curious, Sofia Rose is married and monogamous. Nevertheless, her camming and escorting is a job “and I do treat it so.”

She quickly modifies her statement to minimize the impression it’s all about business.

“The experience itself won’t feel like it’s a job. Whether I’m shooting, performing, or meeting someone privately, they never feel like it’s a job. I don’t make it feel transactional.”

In summing up her point, Sofia Rose mentions that she’s “a pretty warm person” and admits, “I think I just got fortunate with that personality [trait].”

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AEE 2019: Kelley Cabbana

by Rich Moreland, March 2019

This is the fifth installment in a series on Star Factory clients I interviewed at the AVN trade show in Las Vegas this year.

Photos are by Kevin Sayers.

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Everyone is Welcome

Kelley Cabbana is an established cammer who is breaking into shooting scenes.

Her content is exclusive to her website Kelleycabbana.com and will include more “girl-girl stuff” this coming year.

I ask about the changes Kelley has seen in camming since her start several years ago.

“What I find really awesome about the webcamming industry is [the] many different fetishes and different girls [available to fans]. It’s a variety. It’s like going to a buffet, you can have so much.”

Kelley continues. “More and more girls are coming on board because they feel confident” because their body type, shape or size doesn’t matter. Everyone is welcome because there are so many needs that are met with that variety. It’s awesome.”

The Florida native has also witnessed changes in the fans.

“They feel more comfortable coming forward saying ‘Hey, I like this and I like that.’”

Taboos are stepping aside because fetishes are “more accepted,” Kelley says.

What has caused this change?

According to Kelley, it’s all about technology.

“Social media has allowed us to open up a whole new avenue of communication,” she states, “and we have become more comfortable with [it].”

From what Kelley says, I suggest that camming may be one of the blessings of social media.

She brightens. “It absolutely is. I agree with that!”

Camera On?

With a new way of looking at social media under our belts, I offer up a few points about camming Kelley has made in the past: be comfortable in front of the camera, be consistent with your schedule, and talk creatively.

Though she feels at home with those things, that can’t be said of every cam girl, the former glamour model asserts. The disconnect some girls feel because they can’t physically see the fans is an issue.

“Unless they [fans] turn that camera on [from their end], you’re reading a script of what they’re asking you. That can be a barrier,” Kelley says.

She loves “cam-to-cam” because she “gets to know [the fans] on a more personal level.”

In other words, “you’re my client, turn the cam on so you and I can have a one-on-one experience,” Kelley explains.

The downside is evident. If fans don’t let you into their environment, she says, “you still have to be able to perform for them. So that’s the hardest [thing to do].”

Very Personal

I mention cam girls using their online popularity as a portal to enter the studio-driven porn business. Does Kelley agree? And can it work in the reverse with established porn girls setting up their camming sites?

She’s okay with both propositions.

“The industry is changing,” Kelley says, but “there will always be this awesome video production” because there are people who “enjoy the fantasy of the film.”

“But there is something to be said for being able to sign in online and sit and talk either with a performer that you’re connected with or a porn star [who] also gets on cam for her fans.

“Gone are the days that you couldn’t reach the industry on a very personal level.”

Again, Kelley emphasizes that interacting with a model one-on-one “surpasses” anything traditional porn can offer because “it’s very personal.”

No Amateurs Here

How would Kelley define today’s porn girl?

There are “two different types of performers,” Kelley replies. The cam girl “is due her respect for getting on cam and sitting there possibly for hours, delivering her services to her fans. The porn model is still due her respect. She gets on the set, she performs. She is a professional in her field. But is it fair to say that one is more professional than the other? Absolutely not. Each one deserves fairness in their field.”

Can we conclude that the cam girl is not an amateur when it comes to performing?

“She is not an amateur. She learns quite quickly how she needs to change her clothes,” Kelley says. (That’s camspeak for altering her presentation on a moment’s notice.)

In other words, “to make her money” a cam girl learns to switch scenes quickly according to the wishes of her customers, Kelley explains.

What’s more, Kelley believes cammers establish their own market because “they’re fulfilling the needs of the clients and the clients are realizing that whatever fetishes they can put out there, you’re gonna find that girl to fulfill your fantasy on a very personal level.”

That brings me to the quality of cam shoots versus studio productions. Is that important in today’s market?

Not really, Kelley says, and reassures us that there will always be a market for Greg Lansky’s stuff and Jules Jordan’s videos. “It’s great to watch porn videos for fantasy and they’re beautiful productions.”

Though cam girls will never reach that level of filmmaking, she adds, the porn fan still gets “the best of both worlds” because cammers “deliver to their fans what they want to see.”

Kelley emphasizes what is important about camming as opposed to traditional porn. It’s personal.

“You get to interact with a real girl who’s loving sex and enjoying what she’s doing online.”

In other words, Kelley proclaims, “I think there’s a market for both.”

Self-Made

However, I point out that cammers have to do it all themselves. Be producer, editor, and performer.

Kelly agrees. “Cam girls work hard for what they do. You have to promote yourself.”

And, that is no easy task.

“I feel like I’m self-made,” she interjects. “I haven’t worked for any large company. But yet I’ve had numerous nominations. I’m so grateful because in an industry flooded with girls, to be nominated for a category is very humbling and I’m very grateful.”

When I bring up my three-legged stool question, Kelley responds with a huge positive because in her view, camming is that fourth leg.

“Even though you’re a porn star, your fans would love the idea that they could spend one hour to see you on cam. If you can invest that small amount of time, fans would highly appreciate it.”

She continues,

“In this industry you have to do so many elements to make your money now. I’ve talked to girls who were in the porn industry years ago. [They] said all you had to do was shoot and dance and you were good to go. It seems like now you have many channels that you have to work.

“I’m sure the [porn] girls feel the pressure and I’ll see where they spend an hour or two on cam. I think that’s awesome because it allows their fans to connect with them.”

Is that the future of porn? Perhaps, but for now . . .

“It’s really cool to see how this industry is changing,” Kelley Cabbana says with a smile.

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AEE 2019: Cindy Starfall

by Rich Moreland, February 2019

Through Star Factory PR, I had the privilege of  interviewing Cindy Starfall a couple of years ago. Since that time, the Saigon native has received several adult entertainment award nominations and continues to wow her fans with her feature dancing.

Let’s see what’s on her mind this year.

Photos are credited to Kevin Sayers.

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I remember we talked about your feature dancing a couple of years ago. Are you still on the road?

“I do it more and I really loved it because I can really put on a show, on stage and actually get to meet my fans because they come [from] all over . . . different cities . . . for meet and greets.”

Cindy says feature dancing is her thing.

“I love it because it pulls a creative side out of me. I get to be my own boss and put on these big shows on stage every month [in] a different city.”

Cindy comments on her schedule and explains that she’s shooting as much as dancing.

“I dance Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Come back [home on] Sunday then shoot Monday Tuesday. I pack Wednesday and I go again.”

Wow, that’s a lot of traveling, but she seems to love it.

Still Swinging

She tells me that her hectic schedule has put a crimp in her free-flowing lifestyle. Cindy is one of the few porn girls I know who is an active swinger.

“I still have my swinger couples that I’m doing,” Cindy says. In fact, she’s headed over to Japan in April with some of her swinger friends.

We talk about how she handles these out-of-the-ordinary sexual encounters. Among her requirements is spouses have to be present.

“I prefer that because it’s just less drama that way. I’m not there to look for relationships. I just want to be in there and have fun.”

The couples are friendly and, for the most part, older than Cindy. But that is not to discount younger couples who are into the lifestyle. “They always give off this sexual, friendly vibe,” she says.

When she reflects back on her early days in swinging, Cindy recalls it helped her adjust to porn.

“I love sex and swinger [parties have] helped me [to be] more comfortable in front of the camera. Because I have people watching and I have people shooting photos. In a way it [has] shaped who I am.  It is a big part of my life.”

That Connection

We move on to camming. Cindy exclaims that “it’s taking over the [adult] business!”

Camming is a version of amateur porn, she asserts, because “you’re filming yourself at home.”

Cindy has discovered that many of her fans “enjoy that amateur side versus the professional looking, perfect lighting side . . . because it’s more like a private one-on-one, like a personal interaction with me.”

The petite performer indicates that her camming popularity comes from guys who are “lonely” and “looking for that relationship, looking for that connection that they will have with the girls.”

When she describes what she does, Cindy reflects the formula that many cammers use.

“When you cam with me, I will talk to you. I know you by name, I know what you like. You can actually direct your own porn with me. You get to pick what I’m wearing for a session.”

She sees that as powerful for both her and her fans.

Room for Everybody

Some cam girls are comfortable at home and don’t have a desire to become a porn star, Cindy says. “All they do is get online.”

“With porn, you actually got to show up on set, it’s a production. A typical porn set could be between six to eight hours or more if it’s a feature. So, it’s a totally different thing [from camming].

“I started off as a webcam girl. But it wasn’t for me because I got bored. I needed that interaction with that co-star. I love doing porn because I love being in different characters,” she explains.

Unlike other girls I’ve interviewed on this subject, Cindy is blunt with her assessment of what it means to be a porn girl who is committed to studio shooting.

“If you want to be a porn star, can you get naked in front of at least four, five [people and] three different cameras shooting you? Can you do that?”

On the other hand, she says, “With webcam, you’re in your own home comfortable, one camera, you and your boyfriend. Somebody you’re comfortable with.”

Sounds easy, but it’s not because porn girls don’t always want that live feel. “When they know that camera is live and there’s people watching them, they start freaking out. So, it’s totally different,” she asserts.

But Cindy insists that there is room for everybody. “In a way, I do feel like it’s fine to be divided [between camming and porn] because it’s two different audiences.” There enough fans with different tastes to go around.

Trends

On the question of cammers setting their own market trends, Cindy believes they follow rather than lead.

In the adult business, it’s all about the fans. This is the driving force for cammers.

“The audience [is] there and tipping and watching, [buying] tokens. I feel like they [cammers] are following the trend because that’s what the audience wants to see.”

On the other hand, “when it comes to fandoms or fan worship, these guys are following what the girl’s doing.” In that respect, she might be setting her own trend.

But the bottom line will always be the cammers will respond to what the fans want.

“The cam girl’s all about the audience. The audience is giving them their paychecks,” Cindy says.

As for a major production company like John Stagliano’s Evil Angel, Cindy understands he’s doing what he loves because he already has “such a big studio” and consequently sets his own trends.

Once again, we revert back to the power of being online when it comes to camming.

Cindy Starfall says, “In this day with social media, the people that are watching. They want to know you, the actress behind the camera, and that’s what the webcam gives them. They get to talk to me, personally.”

 

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